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What you're talking about is just a loophole which some choose to enforce and some don't.

How each store operates and the terms they use is a different matter.
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powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:17 pm What you're talking about is just a loophole which some choose to enforce and some don't.

How each store operates and the terms they use is a different matter.
It is literally built into the game code. If any of the console providers objected they would ban it from the store, just as Android and iOS did.

Google and Apple can run their store however they want, but I have nothing against them being challenged on their s***.
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powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:48 pm
thegrommit wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:17 pm The problem is they want a 30% cut of all revenue, even for services they have nothing to do with (beyond providing the initial app download). This isn't just applicable to games.
And that's obviously Epic's problem to argue, but Apple and Google seem to have clear terms also.
Not really. Multiple developers have noted how apple now demand that payments be made through the app - so they can take their 30% cut:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/202 ... s-hostage/
ars wrote: ProtonMail is not the first to argue that Apple's 30 percent cut amounts to a tax that cuts unfairly into other firms' revenue and makes it harder to compete against Apple's first-party apps.
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thegrommit wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:23 pm Not really. Multiple developers have noted how apple now demand that payments be made through the app - so they can take their 30% cut:
Well that's a fair criticism if it's something they've recently introduced, but I was under the impression the in-app terms have been the same since at least 2014.
(Edit: actually 2011: https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-changes ... on-policy/)

Like I've said, I don't think there's much of a legal case to sue them over it, but it's up to the authorities to decide there's truly an antitrust monopoly going on and punish them accordingly, though if they want to bring down Apple over this and not Google as well it'll be hypocritical, as I haven't seen any digital store that doesn't promote and give certain weighting to it's own goods and services.

That'd be like suing Amazon for selling AmazonBasics goods, which you can... but you've got to have evidence that it's actively cheating it's competitors, and not just maximising the brand/products like any business would.
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shadow wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:35 pm
powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:17 pm What you're talking about is just a loophole which some choose to enforce and some don't.

How each store operates and the terms they use is a different matter.
It is literally built into the game code. If any of the console providers objected they would ban it from the store, just as Android and iOS did.

Google and Apple can run their store however they want, but I have nothing against them being challenged on their s***.
This does happen, though. If I buy a song to play at Rocksmith at the PS3, the purchase goes through the PS store.
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Tabajara wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:27 pm
shadow wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:35 pm
powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:17 pm What you're talking about is just a loophole which some choose to enforce and some don't.

How each store operates and the terms they use is a different matter.
It is literally built into the game code. If any of the console providers objected they would ban it from the store, just as Android and iOS did.

Google and Apple can run their store however they want, but I have nothing against them being challenged on their s***.
This does happen, though. If I buy a song to play at Rocksmith at the PS3, the purchase goes through the PS store.
Yes, traditionally if you wanted content in a console game you had to use the console makers store. Now you don't.

I don't know if that's only true for Fortnite or not as I'm not really into Battle Royale type games anyway.
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https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/14/21369 ... rt-opinion
Vaheesan said Epic Games’ lawyers presented “detailed factual allegations” that rely on “strong legal theories,” which bodes well for the company. Epic isn’t asking the court to rewrite antitrust law as it stands — instead, it’s asking a judge to just enforce the law as it exists.
https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/14/21368 ... eney-indie
Obviously, winning this battle would mean that Epic Games makes more money, which would be “favorable” to them. But the implications of the lawsuit could be more far-reaching for the gaming industry at large, especially when it comes to smaller game developers.
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Epic judge will protect Unreal Engine — but not Fortnite
Epic Games won a temporary restraining order against Apple, at least in part

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/25/2140 ... ning-order
‘Developers are fleeing the Unreal Engine,’ Epic tells court
Judge Rogers said she was inclined to protect the Unreal Engine

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/24/2139 ... -challenge
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Latest Fortnite update will leave iPhone and iPad users behind
Chapter 2 - Season 4 of Fortnite won't come to Apple devices

https://www.techspot.com/news/86523-lat ... ehind.html
Why Epic can’t afford to lose the Unreal Engine in its legal fight with Apple
Apple and Epic’s Fortnite fight has spiraled into something much more

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/26/2140 ... rs-lawsuit
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Apple terminates Epic’s App Store access following Fortnite dispute
Bad news if you want to re-download Infinity Blade or get Fortnite skins on iOS.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... e-dispute/
Apple terminates Epic's developer account, removes its games from the App Store
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However, the courts put a restraining order on Apple, stopping it from terminating licenses for Epic’s Unreal Engine. As promised, the iPhone company today has terminated Epic Game’s developer account, which does not include the Unreal Engine, complying with the court orders. The termination of the account means that other games and apps from Epic, including Battle Breakers and the Infinity Blade apps have also been removed from the App Store.
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https://www.neowin.net/news/apple-termi ... -app-store
In an Epic trolling move, Apple highlights PUBG the day Fortnite developer account disabled

https://www.neowin.net/news/in-an-epic- ... t-disabled
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