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powerarmour wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:20 am It's a publicity stunt too, Fortnite (albeit still popular) is an older game now, and there are plenty of other Battle Royale competitors.

Apple and Google aren't going to sweat about losing it, and Epic are hoping more mobile folks will go back to side-loading it/installing it manually so they can make a quick buck before it inevitably wanes in popularity.

Longer term, it'll be about Epic getting it's own game store onto mobiles though, but Apple and Google will just point to their T&C's and wave them away, only an antitrust type ruling from authorities above will be able to change that.
I'd like to think Epic would have a very interesting store client on Android if they were allowed to (offering games people already own on PC as well as a lot of free content, if their PC store is anything to go by.)

As long as we're locked to these two phone OS providers (who probably get away with murder when it comes to antitrust law) we're not likely to see anything change for the better.
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jpr wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:18 pm Don't like it? The door is over there :roll:
Absolutely, they will have signed the T&C's... if you sell your soul to the devil, don't cry when he takes his cut. :P

Like I've said on the other thread, what this is really about is that Epic aren't allowed to have their store on another store. It's not about the users, it's not about 'trying to be the good guys and making a stand', they just don't want someone else eating their pie (which is fair enough btw, just don't try and dress it up as something else).
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shadow wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:03 am This is a power play by Epic that might end badly for Epic and Apple, but it's fun to watch.
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https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... -consoles/
But through this entire public fight for "open mobile platforms," as Epic puts it, there is one major set of closed platforms that the company seems happy to continue doing business with. We're speaking, of course, about video game consoles.
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thegrommit wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:14 pm https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... -consoles/
But through this entire public fight for "open mobile platforms," as Epic puts it, there is one major set of closed platforms that the company seems happy to continue doing business with. We're speaking, of course, about video game consoles.
It just seems so ridiculous that Epic would file suits against Google and Apple, whilst happily accepting the status quo from Nintendo, Sony and MS.
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powerarmour wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:45 pm It just seems so ridiculous that Epic would file suits against Google and Apple, whilst happily accepting the status quo from Nintendo, Sony and MS.
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With Microsoft Sony and Nintendo you can pay for Fortnite wherever you like (even on PC) and play it wherever you like with that unlocked content.

Wouldn't call that the same scenario at all.
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Irrespective of how the content is used, the cut is the same, that's the point.

~30% may seem high, but they all have stores to run and mouths to feed etc.
That figure isn't just plucked out of thin air.
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powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:46 pm
shadow wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:44 pm If you buy content on PC (and can play it on whatever console you like) the cut is 0%.
And if you buy on console it's still ~30%, I'm not sure what kind of hole you're trying to dig here.

Of course if you buy Fortnite on the Epic Game Store it's going to be different, otherwise they'd be suing themselves...
What hole? You can literally use whatever payment provider you like to get the content. You don't have to buy it on Xbox to play it on Xbox.
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shadow wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:49 pm What hole? You can literally use whatever payment provider you like to get the content. You don't have to buy it on Xbox to play it on Xbox.
And again if you buy it on a console store the console provider will take a cut.
Shall we keep going round in circles?

Do you want to read the article again to refresh your memory?
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... -consoles/
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powerarmour wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:53 pm
shadow wrote: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:49 pm What hole? You can literally use whatever payment provider you like to get the content. You don't have to buy it on Xbox to play it on Xbox.
And again if you buy it on a console store the console provider will take a cut.
Shall we keep going round in circles?

Do you want to read the article again to refresh your memory?
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/ ... -consoles/
That is obvious. What that article doesn't even talk about is that you are not required to pay through the consoles store.

This is what's different on iOS and Android that is the cause of these lawsuits, which is what we've been talking about this whole time.
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