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Re: Windows 10X

Post by powerarmour » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:47 am

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Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:18 am
https://www.windowscentral.com/develope ... eloper-day
I see so many people with iPad Pro in the workplace (F500 company).
I also work for a top 50 F500 company, and the amount of iPad Pro's I've seen in our US and UK offices I could count on one hand.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:28 am

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3526551 ... s.amp.html
Microsoft's Windows 10X: A dozen ways it's cooler than just two screens
I'd prefer this on my desktop if not for the compatibility hit. If I can afford something with it it might be day one.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by jpr » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:47 pm

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Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:53 am
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-e ... indows-10x
For Win32 apps, Microsoft will be using a container similar to the Windows Subsystem for Linux, and every Win32 app will run on the same container, and almost every Win32 app is supported by the container. Because apps are containerized, they can't make changes to system files or the registry, so certain apps may have an issue with that. Most specifically though, that means drivers can't be manually installed through executable files, for instance.

Win32 apps will still be relatively easy to use on Windows 10X, though, because certain things are shared with the host OS. The folder and path structure is the same you'd expect, and user files are shared across the host and the container, but private app data isn't. Common hardware, like the keyboard, mouse, graphics, audio, and more have a "fast path" to the host, so they'll work as normal. Privacy-sensitive hardware like webcams and microphones will be enabled at the user's discretion, but this works at the container level, so if you allow access to a Win32 app, every Win32 app can access that hardware.
I like it already, but we'll see how well it all works with current apps.
So, that probably explains the effort of getting Docker running natively under Windows, and running Windows-containers - Enterprise/Server folks would have been fine with an MS-specific proprietary format, given that Docker is very Linux-centric.

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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:48 am

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So, that probably explains the effort of getting Docker running natively under Windows, and running Windows-containers - Enterprise/Server folks would have been fine with an MS-specific proprietary format, given that Docker is very Linux-centric.

Interesting.
Well, they've also been doing similar things with WSL and the Xbox One OS and all that jazz.

It seems illogical that people are so gung ho for having apps capable of getting permissions they should never have been able to in the first place.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by impar » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:27 pm

Greetings!
There's already a tutorial for installing Windows 10X on actual hardware

https://www.neowin.net/news/theres-alre ... l-hardware
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:17 pm

https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/02/1 ... tions/amp/
Inside the Win32 Container, you can run all the legacy Win32 desktop apps including system utilities, Photoshop and even Visual Studio. The container has its own traditional Windows directory and kernel to run legacy programs smoothy. There’s even built-in driver and registry support.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:47 pm

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsofts- ... indows-10x
Slight delay that surprises noone with everything going on.
The other, and perhaps more interesting reason is that Windows 10X might actually ship for single-screen devices like clamshells and convertibles first.
I would love 10X on my Surface Go.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:15 pm

And now it's gimped...but only on low end devices?
That said, I'm told that when Microsoft is ready to launch dual-screen PCs, it will be after 2021, and VAIL should be included. VAIL isn't launching on low-cost PCs because of performance issues, but I'm told these performance issues are less of an issue on devices with more powerful specs, like many of the dual-screen and foldable PCs that are in the works.
I guess nevermind, this could be a distant **** after all...I'll wait and see though, it could still be great on decent kit.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by powerarmour » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:47 pm

Windows 10X dual-screen won't arrive until spring 2022:

https://hexus.net/tech/news/software/14 ... ring-2022/

If it's restricted to UWP and web apps, it'll be DOA anyway.
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Re: Windows 10X

Post by shadow » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:44 pm

powerarmour wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:47 pm
Windows 10X dual-screen won't arrive until spring 2022:

https://hexus.net/tech/news/software/14 ... ring-2022/

If it's restricted to UWP and web apps, it'll be DOA anyway.
It isn't, but it apparently depends on the device. I'll probably not bother with any that don't have the win32 support though.

I've got enough devices I don't really use as is.

I can wait. Windows 10 is definitely doing the job for now anyway. Just makes for an awkward experience wrt the Surface Go and similar builds.
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