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Re: Microsoft News

Post by Tabajara » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 am

powerarmour wrote:
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Windows Mobile was king long before Android was.
And the reason Android killed it was because it was about 10x more usable, looked better, didn't require a stylus, and actually had proper apps (I owned a T-Mobile G1, it was great to use at the time). HTC's Touch Flow interface was pretty decent for WM 6.1, but it had issues.

Windows Mobile was king of a sand castle before bricks were invented.
Yes, it wasn't like Microsoft didn't have a chance at it or lacked resources to get it right, Android was just a better product that enabled third party apps to offer many services not available on WM. Android won because it was useful, useable and open.
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by powerarmour » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:50 am

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Yes, it wasn't like Microsoft didn't have a chance at it or lacked resources to get it right, Android was just a better product that enabled third party apps to offer many services not available on WM. Android won because it was useful, useable and open.
Google also offered Android FOC to handset makers, Microsoft charged ~$15 per each install of WM.
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Re: Microsoft News

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Windows Mobile was king of a sand castle before bricks were invented.
...because they stopped working on it. Clearly you care about this more than I do heh.
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by powerarmour » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:39 pm

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...because they stopped working on it. Clearly you care about this more than I do heh.
Nah, Bill blaming the Antitrust legislation alone isn't exactly fair, MS at the time were a different company to what they are now, they were greedier and weren't as keen to be cost competitive or as open to collaboration.
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by shadow » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:45 pm

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Nah, Bill blaming the Antitrust legislation alone isn't exactly fair, MS at the time were a different company to what they are now, they were greedier and weren't as keen to be cost competitive or as open to collaboration.
I'm just glad that era is behind us honestly. MS used to have some incredibly stupid things happening.

Now the only thing is nobody on the planet understands what's going on with DX12 gaming :p
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by shadow » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:02 am

How is offering other options betting against Intel? If they stopped offering the Intel options it would be.
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How is offering other options betting against Intel? If they stopped offering the Intel options it would be.
The proper name of this is hedging. And letting Intel know it would better be more friendly, as it's not the only game in town.

And it feels like Intel made an effort to counter what looks like V 1.0 hardware:
But the performance on the Surface Laptop 3 shows that AMD’s hardware still has a way to go before it can challenge Intel’s supremacy here. Intel’s finally started shipping its 10th-gen Ice Lake chips (found in the Surface Laptop 3), which bring big leaps in performance and battery life, and are likely a big factor in helping Intel keep the lead here.

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Unfortunately, the Surface Pro X seems to prove once again that the dream of an ARM-based Windows laptop is still a half-baked idea. App compatibility is still a big issue, performance isn’t great, and the much-vaunted battery life doesn’t always hold up as well as promised. A lot of this is down to 32-bit app emulation: when apps are designed to run on ARM, the Surface Pro X actually does pretty well. But those apps are still few and far between — the hardware may be here, but the software isn’t. And if past history is anything to go by, Microsoft may have a hard time getting developers on board
Both versions seem to be able to improve when software gets there and as products that can evolve into a very good V2.0 versions next year.
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by shadow » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:28 pm

Intel already had presence in this market so I'm not really surprised if they keep their general lead.

But I'm also not really surprised if they don't, the way Ryzen development has been going. I wonder when Navi based APUs will be available.
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Re: Microsoft News

Post by powerarmour » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:48 am

Intel's 10nm Ice Lake laptop CPU's are really good actually, especially for PPW.
AMD still have of a lot of work to be competitive here, if there is a downside to 7nm Zen2 in regards to this it's the unusually high idle power draw.
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